Dr Strange 170 page (again) by Dan Adkins for The Fifty

My pursuit of The Fifty has included a massive sell-off of my comic art collection; just the other day I went through and consolidated Itoyas again, eliminating three more profolios. It meant mixing some pieces in ways I would not prefer, but I wanted to see how many fewer Itoyas I actually need. I am down at least 6 Itoyas now since the process started. Of course, 15 of those pieces went on my walls as well but the rest went out the door. Just in time for the Dr. Strange movie buzz to get started.

And in that sell-off I have offered many pieces that have not sold; many fine pieces from my collection have been available at the right price at one time or another. And one of them just got put into The Fifty, so if you were thinking of buying the page from Dr. Strange issue 170 that I offered briefly, too late!

Dan Adkins Dr. Strange 170 page 10

I used to have four pages from this issue but have sold two over time. One got framed, and it is the page after this one. So I decided that the Dr. Strange wall, aka Frames of The Faltine!, would look better with the two pages from issue 170 on one side complementing the two pages from Tomb of Dracula 44 that sit on the other side. This will mean relocating the Paul Smith commission, but I had always planned on having a wall of Dr. Strange commissions eventually anyway so this works for me a few ways.

This page and the one that follows it in the book and on my wall are just wonderful pages. Dr. Strange's astral form and his battles with Nightmare are core elements of the character's history and it is because of pages like these that those elements are so lasting to the mythos. And I think Dan Adkins was a wonderful artist and am proud to own some of the art he produced and display it on my walls.


The Fifty
1  Barry Windsor-Smith Storyteller Young Gods page 4 (framed)
2  Tony Harris / Ray Snyder Dr. Strange WIRED Magazine cover  (framed)
3  Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X page  (framed)
4  Gene Colan / Tom Palmer Tomb of Dracula 44 page 22  (framed)
5  Tony Harris Starman 3 cover  (framed)
6  Barry Windsor-Smith Daredevil 236 page (framed)
7  Tony Harris Starman 53 cover  (framed)

8  David Mazzucchelli Daredevil 233 page 19

9  JHW3 Milestone Forever pinup

10  Simon Bisley Dr. Strange vs The Mindless Ones
11  Paul Smith Dr. Strange vs Dr.Doom  (framed)
12  Dave Sim Mars Attacks variant cover
13  Gene Colan / Tom Palmer Tomb of Dracula 44 page 1 splash  (framed)
14  Dan Green Dr. Strange: Into Shamballa splash (framed)
15  Tony Harris 1994 Starman pinup  (framed)
16  Bill Sienkiewicz Superman 400 pinup recreation

17  Ted McKeever Dr. Strange vs Dr.Doom in Hell
18  Dean Ormston Dr. Strange & Eternity

19  Bryan Talbot Dr. Strange commission
20  Dan Adkins Dr Strange 170 page 11  (framed)

21  Dan Adkins Dr. Strange 170 page 10
22  Ulises Farinas - Dr. Strange in his Sanctum Sanctorum

23  Rudy Nebres - Dr. Strange, Dracula & The Scarlet Witch
24  Mike Allred - Doctor Strange, Clea, The Ancient One, Wong, and Rintrah...A Day Off
25  Anna Merli Clea
26  Mitchell Bretweiser Dr. Strange watercolor
27  Jae Lee Dr. Strange
28  Darwyn Cooke Wonder Woman  (framed)
29  Walt Simonson Alan Moore as Rorschach (framed)

Gene Colan in The Fifty...again

What a great page! Colan / Palmer ToD 44 p 22

This is the first page I acquired from this classic issue of Tomb of Dracula. Issue 44 was a crossover with Dr.Strange 14, and when pages from both issues began showing up a few years ago I went after them. Eventually I owned three pages from ToD 44 and one from Doc 14, but now I am down to the two I intend to keep - the one above and the page one splash from this issue.

I love that first panel, and the last one is striking as well. In between is story, but the page as a whole works very well. The growth of The Eye of Agamotto as it comes off Doc's chest shows true artistry by both Gene Colan and Tom Palmer. I have a lot of my own issues with Colan's work at times, but this page is an excellent example of what made Gene Colan special and also why Tom Palmer was his best inker.

Look at that last panel. Doc firing spells in a classic pose. Classic. This page is awesome and I am proud to own it and look at it on my wall. So without further eloquence...without further eloquence...Gene Colan and Tom Palmer enter The Fifty with a page from ToD 44 (again).


The Fifty
1  BWS Storyteller Young Gods page 4 (framed)
2  Tony Harris / Ray Snyder Dr. Strange WIRED Magazine cover  (framed)
3  BWS Weapon X page  (framed)
4  Gene Colan / Tom Palmer Tomb of Dracula 44 page 22  (framed)
5  Tony Harris Starman 3 cover  (framed)
6  Tony Harris Starman 53 cover  (framed)

7  David Mazzucchelli Daredevil 233 page 19

8  JHW3 Milestone Forever pinup

9  Simon Bisley Dr. Strange vs The Mindless Ones
10  Paul Smith Dr. Strange vs Dr.Doom  (framed)
11  Dave Sim Mars Attacks variant cover
12  Gene Colan / Tom Palmer Tomb of Dracula 44 page 1 splash  (framed)
13  Dan Green Dr. Strange: Into Shamballa splash (framed)
14  Tony Harris 1994 Starman pinup  (framed)
15 Bill Sienkiewicz Superman 400 pinup recreation

16  Ted McKeever Dr. Strange vs Dr.Doom in Hell
17  Dean Ormston Dr. Strange & Eternity

18  Bryan Talbot Dr. Strange commission
19  Dan Adkins Dr Strange 170 page 11  (framed)

20 Ulises Farinas - Dr. Strange in his Sanctum Sanctorum

21  Rudy Nebres - Dr. Strange, Dracula & The Scarlet Witch
22  Mike Allred - Doctor Strange, Clea, The Ancient One, Wong, and Rintrah...A Day Off
23  Anna Merli Clea
24  Mitchell Bretweiser Dr. Strange watercolor
25  Jae Lee Dr. Strange
26  Darwyn Cooke Wonder Woman  (framed)

...finally...Gene Colan and The Fifty

The other day I started a blog post about The Fifty now containing Gene Colan, and let me not forget Tom Palmer, and got derailed by a discussion of some of the different Dr. Strange artists. So now I need to show the bad boy!

Tomb of Dracula 44 page 1 splash! Gene Colan and Tom Palmer, artists

Now take a look at that. It is missing a balloon from the printed page, but I like it better without (Doc mutters 2-3 words about Wong  being in danger if I recall correctly) . This story was the deal forme back in the 70s/early 80s. I remember driving to a baseball card and comic show at an Elks Club in Toms River NJ where I bought a ton of Dr. Strange issues for 25 cents each. I got my drivers license in 1984 and moved out of town in 1985, so that pretty much narrows it down, eh? Issue 14 of that title is the issue that crosses over with the one this art is from, Tomb of Dracula 44. Incredibly, Gene Colan and Tom Palmer were doing the art for both titles at that time, although I think at least Tomb was every other month.

Tomb 44 and Doc 14 are a crazy and wild ride. Wong dies by Dracula's bite. Doc dies by Dracula's bite. Dracula is defeated by Doc and that includes a crazy, partial-dream / partial-reality sequence where vampire Dr. Strange bites Dracula and turns him from human to vampire.

I am lucky enough to now own one page from Dr. Strange 14 and three from Tomb 44. I may be able to acquire another one soon enough, although the itch is close to scratched. (But who knows, maybe I will sell up in November!?! hint hint no promise but hint hint) I am saddened by the fact that although I was able to meet Gene Colan, along with wonderful wide Adrienne (now now, c'mon. They were lifemates despite how it ended and no one, no one, knows what transpires between spouses so I prefer to remember the couple I met.), I was not able to have these pages signed as I only bought them after his passing. but that is a very minor consideration. Because this page, really all of them but this one most of all, really fucking rocks my socks. You done read that right. It is a badass page from a great and classic comic. If you are surprised, you really shouldn't be...the Nebres piece already in The Fifty and a few others I own are all in some way an homage to this storyline.

I may end up with all the pages from these 2 issues that I own in the Fifty, I may add some but not others. Que sera sera and all that. But what is sure right now, what is clear and undeniable is that this splash will be on my wall for years and years to come. Will it be there on my last day on Earth (11/29/2066)? I don't know...but for now it is in The Fifty.


The Fifty
1  BWS Storyteller Young Gods page 4

2  Tony Harris / Ray Snyder Dr. Strange WIRED Magazine cover

3  Gene Colan / Tom Palmer Tomb of Dracula 44 page 1 splash
4  Simon Bisley Dr. Strange vs The Mindless Ones
5  Dan Green Dr. Strange: Into Shamballa splash

6  Bill Sienkiewicz Superman 400 pinup recreation

7  Dan Adkins Dr Strange 170 page 11

8  Anna Merli Clea

9  JH Williams 3rd / Mick Gray Promethea 24 double page spread

10  Rudy Nebres - Dr. Strange, Dracula & The Scarlet Witch

Dr. Strange 170 - Dan Adkins enters The Fifty

A few years ago Mike Burkey sold a complete issue of Dr Strange, broken up page by page. There was a bit of a fuss at the time over this as some feel that the issue had survived intact for decades and should remain so. But commerce won out in the end and the pages were scattered to the wind. I think Mike may have a few left in fact. Tell him I sent you.

But some of those pages did not scatter, but rather landed in a heap on my doorstep. I bought four of the pages over time, and still have three. Why I sold one I do not know, but these things happen. I really dig these pages from a great issue featuring Nightmare impersonating Hamir and attacking Doc and The Ancient One. I was very pleased to have the chance to purchase these pages and love owning them.

Dan Adkins was the penciller and inker of the issue. The artist, completely. He told a nice story I think, and the issue is full of fun camera movements and perspective changes. Dan passed recently, and I bemoan the fact that I have his address right here but never used it to tell him how groovy I thought he was or to purchase a cover reproduction. But I own three pages from Dr. Strange 170, so at least I have that going for me.

Here is the one I have chosen to frame this week. Yes, Dan Adkins enters The Fifty.

Dan Adkins pencils/inks Dr Strange 170 page 11

Doc got his own Marvel Comics title with issue 169, only one prior to the one this page appeared in. That is cool I think. 1968 Marvel Comics psychedelia -mysticism, astral projections and Nightmare personified. Yeah, Groovy with a capital G!

The Fifty
1  BWS Storyteller Young Gods page 4
2  Tony Harris / Ray Snyder Dr. Strange WIRED Magazine cover
3  Simon Bisley Dr. Strange vs The Mindless Ones
4  Dan Green Dr. Strange: Into Shamballa splash
5  Bill Sienkiewicz Superman 400 pinup recreation
6  Dan Adkins Dr Strange 170 page 11
7  Anna Merli Clea
8  JH Williams 3rd / Mick Gray Promethea 24 double page spread
9  Rudy Nebres - Dr. Strange, Dracula & The Scarlet Witch

Comic Art Want List - Gene Colan / Tom Palmer acquired!

OH YEAH! I have really been paring down the collection. Paring it down, thinning the herd, separating the wheat from the chaff (well, less fresh wheat because none of it was chaff!) - call it what you will it was ugly and it was vicious at times and unfortunately it was necessary. But truth be told I did it willingly. And I gonna do it again for sure.

Because sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do if you wanna get'ya somma this:

Tomb of Dracula 44 p 1 splash - Gene Colan / Tom Palmer

Now a few things worth mentioning. First is that I had seen the art for the complete ToD 44 a year or two before but it was only for sale as a complete issue at that time. Eventually that changed and I had a shot at pages from ToD 44, but this page was long gone and I was a few hours late on another wonderful page. I did get a nice one, and since that time have also added a page from Dr. Strange 14, the title ToD 44 was having the cross-over with. Then about 6 months ago I saw it on a dealer's site at a premium price. It was most likely around a 50% markup and it is not inconceivable that it was marked-up 100% to the price I paid. But no matter. I saw the page and knew I could not let it go again. I have a few pages that are forming the cornerstone of my Doc collection. I had 4 pages from Dr. Strange 170, the second issue from 1968 and thought those were cornerstones. But when ToD 44 and Doc 14 starting coming up all that changed because I actually remember these pages. So I sold one of those pages from 170 and paid this off early because I love it so and you cannot have it all. I have tried, so trust me on that one.

The second thing that needs mentioning is the reason I (over)paid for this page: the writing. I usually buy art for the art, but this page has such compelling and memorable writing that it really puts the page over the top in my opinion. It has a fantastic Gene Colan and Tom Palmer splash that opens the story brilliantly and Marv Wolfman writes a wonderful story. How can you not be drawn in by that page? It is a wonderful example of the marriage of words and pictures that is comics that I am proud to own.

Now the last thing to mention is the bad stuff. This page did disappoint me briefly. I guess if I had examined it more closely I would not have been so surprised at the crappy condition of the masthead and stats. But c'est la vie! There are also all sorts of things going on here, from zip-a-tone to a stat in the crystal ball. I have no idea how much, if any, of that is original art and have no intention of removing anything to find out. It really does not matter to me but the time will eventually come when it will matter to someone. So sometime after 2030, or when I die if before then, someone will really examine the page and see what's what. Doc is clean, and the rest is a bit this and a bit that but the end result is brilliant and that is all that matters to me now.

Some thoughts nearing year's end

I have to tell you, I have really had a good year. Many blessings have come my way. I started this entry to talk about my comic art, surprise surprise. But I would be remiss if I did not comment on my wonderful wife and my equally wonderful daughters. They really make each and every day better. We are entering the teen years, and I know it won't always be so easy to get along but it has really been a blast so far.

I coached soccer again this year, and that was fun. We had the year end dinner yesterday, a few weeks later than optimal. Only 6 of the 14 kids attended, but it was good to see those kids again. I look forward to coaching again next year.

Okay, comic art. I had a great year. I sold more art than I ever have in one year before (I think) and I bought a bunch of really nice things. Maybe nothing to compete with last year's BWS Storyteller splash page, but what year could compete with that? I usually place my better pieces in my CAF Lowry, and looking at it now, I think it was a good year. Only one of those five things is on my comic art want list but that is really because I could not have anticipated the others. But they absolutely fall right in my collection wheelhouse. This is the one on my want list, a page from Dracula 44 by Gene Colan and Tom Palmer

Tomb of Dracula 44 page 22 Gene Colan / Tom Palmer

Although not in my Lowry, I also got a page from Dr. Strange 14 this year. This is the issue of Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts that crossed-over with Tomb of Dracula 44. Gene Colan was pencilling the art for both books at the time, and this issue is again inked by Tom Palmer.

Dr. Strange 14 page 10 Gene Colan / Tom Palmer

I got a whole lot of Gene Colan this year; in addition to those two pages, I got the only page pencilled by gene Colan that Walt Simonson ever inked; a cool page from Dr. Strange 38 inked by Dan Green; and have paid off a little over 50% of a nice splash.

 The Chris Stevens watercolor was a real treat. How I could expect he would start painting and I would get one of the first ones? Look at that piece of art.

Storm of Asgard by Chris Stevens

I got a Mike Mignola cover. It was a bit of an impulse, and I would trade it for the right Starman/Hellboy/Batman piece, but it is a wonderful piece of art. It may not have hellboy, but it has so much more that you want in a Mignola than many Hellboy panel pages. Check that shit out.

Mike Mignola Witchfinder 4 cover

I have a few collecting themes. Well, that may be overstating it but I like to get a few specific things. I now have gotten a second artist to recreate an image I can no longer find, online or in the real world. But Andy MacDonald was nice enough to take on the challenge and make this homage to a John Buscema poster of Mephisto drinking souls from his chalice. Frank Brunner did it once for me as well, and Andy was right there with his execution like the old pro! (Go buy Andy's latest masterpiece, the adaptation of James Patterson's ZOO)

Mephisto Drinks The Defenders by Andy MacDonald.

This year also found me finally getting a commission from Eric Canete. I once bought, and have since sold, a Silver Surfer from Eric's portfolio. But this year Eric joined a few other comic artists and stopped sketching copyrighted characters. There are many reasons for this, and not every artist has the same reason as the next guy. But if it is a reaction to the Gary Friedrich case it is a total over-reaction. But Eric is taking that position and talking to him in the past made it clear he is a genuine man. So when NYCC came around in 2012 I decided to get Eric to do an underwater Valkyrie. He was all over that shit. Check out the insanity he put on paper for me.

Eric Canete underwater valkyrie convention sketch - my idea, his execution

The next piece I have here represents another want list acquisition. This is the fourth page from issue 170 of Dr. Strange that I now possess. This is page 18. I think that may be enough now that the Tomb of Dracula 44 pages and Doc 14 pages are surfacing, but you never know.

Dr. Strange 170 page 18, art by Dan Adkins

And this year was also the year I got my Mike Allred commission, another want list item. I initially wanted to get the Valkyrie, Dr. Strange, Clea and other Defenders playing volleyball on the sand. After thinking about characters and cost ($200 per after the first four characters) I decided to get Doc and his posse: The Ancient One, Clea, Wong, and Rintrah. Simon Miller was a keen facillitator and Mike Allred just killed it for me. I may have stripes added on Clea's suit, and The Ancient One's shirt is supposed to be a Hawaiian shirt and I will have that added soon enough digitally. I also wish there were a few creatures, seagulls and crabs and such, but I did get the cute beachgoer in the background.

One of the best pieces I got this year is this cover by Kevin Nowlan.

Strange Tales 11 cover - Kevin Nowlan

That is a thing of beauty. It may not be his best of that period, but it is a great representation of those covers and is a very strong cover by a master artist. I loved Mr. Jyp so when this cover was made available to me I was glad to see him and Cloak & Dagger, plus Doc as well! The Doc only covers are my favorites, but MAN look at what I done got!


I also was able to score a major coup when I commissioned Rudy Nebres early in the year to do another one of my themes, Dr. Strange vs. Dracula. Rudy and his lovely, and patient, wife have been at quite a few conventions in my area in the last few years and I got to talking with them on quite a few occasions. It turns out they live 10 minutes from me, two towns over. I arranged to pick up the commission at their house and look at what Rudy Nebres presented to me.

I had given Rudy five different heroines to put in the commission and he chose The Scarlet Witch. This is right up their with my Simon Bisley, Paul Smith, and Jae Lee commissions as one of the best I have received from an artist. I loved it so much I sought out the means to make it into a shirt and now wear it proudly. I wear a comic art shirt, or more than one, every weekend and that Nebres commission started that whole trend for me. It is that great a piece of comic art.

Let's see, I also got a Starman cover this year. Issue 3.

Starman 3 cover painting by Tony Harris

What can be said after that. Thanks be to God, I am blessed.


...to be continued.

Comic Art Want List - Item Acquired!

Some time ago I wrote about my comic art want list, the items I was hoping to acquire and add to my collection. Number 8 on that list was more pages from Dr. Strange 170 by Dan Adkins and I am happy to have acquired another page from this issue. I now have 4 pages from the issue - that may be enough for now. Well, maybe one more.

So here it is - Dr. Strange and Nightmare battle in Dr. Strange 170 (1968), courtesy of Dan Adkins.

Dr. Strange 170 page 14 Dan Adkins pencils/inks...I must admit I touched it up a bit to remove some staining

These pages are a blast to own. I loved these early sixties comics when I read them in the 1980s. They have a trippy, psychedelic quality that really appealed to me in my pre-Deadhead life. It is funny how you see the dots connect looking back. It is no wonder I am in the profession of Sigmund Freud, Richard Alpert and Timothy Leary.

Look at that page. Two tremendous images, camera angle reversed from the first panel to the second. That menacing hand in the second panel that is assaulting Dr. Strange with such devastating fury is the tiny tiny hand in the upper left corner of the first panel. And don't tell me that hand isn't moving in the second panel, gesturing and contracting to cause Doc to writhe in such pain!  And that first panel, with Nightmare on his steed rearing up to attack our good doctor. And the magical force and the other-worldliness of the Nightmare dimension are rendered so effectively as well.

And you can't talk about this page without talking about the talking, the dialogue. Alliteration and assonance indeed. "Impudent Upstart!" "humble Hamir" And I am lucky enough to get an early "By the Shades of The Seraphim!", not to mention a "puny human" mention from someone other than The Hulk! That is pretty cool as well.

I figured I would show the other pages I have from this issue as well. Here is page 19.

Dr. Strange 170 page 19 Dan Adkins art

And I also have an earlier sequence, pages 10 and 11.

Dr. Strange 170 page 10 Dan Adkins art

Dr. Strange 170 page 11 Dan Adkins art

These pages are among my favorites for so many reasons. I mean, look at that page above and the astral Doc in Nightmare's realm. As Stan would say, 'nuff said!

STRANGE TALES 11 cover - KEVIN NOWLAN

This post is another one of those "what a great piece of art I just bought" posts. They are getting more and more common, and what a wonderful happenstance that is. Costly, but wonderful. So this week I got two Starman pages, one by matt Smith and the other by Richard Pace. But what really tickled my fancy was finally getting this:

art by Kevin Nowlan, with layout/idea by Carl Potts

Published in 1987, Strange Tales was right in my Dr. Strange college wheelhouse along with The Michael Golden portfolio, Triumph & Torment (Mignola and Badger on art), and Into Shamballa (Dan Green, watercolors, on the gorgeous art). Although this isn't my favorite piece of art by Kevin Nowlan featuring Dr. Strange, or even of Doc by Carl Potts!, it is a really strong piece of art that really adds nicely to my collection. Slowly but surely it is getting better, more classy as it were. Yeah, that's the ticket...classy comic art. With demons of course. And Mr. Jip!

New art : A classic Dan Adkins Nightmare page!

image courtesy of romitaman.com

I was able to pay off the page above today, and the wonderful Mike Burkey is going to send it out before he leaves for SDCC. I loved these late 60s issues, and this page is a great example of just why that is so. Freaky effects for a freaky story. Check out that last panel with Doc's cloak attacking Nightmare. Crazy stuff. So thank you to anyone who bought some art recently (still selling stuff on ebay, see the link in the upper right corner of this blog) as it has enabled me to purchase this page and one or two other things. But this one is special.

Tomb of Dracula page by Gene Colan and Tom Palmer

I bought this page today.

I think that statement needs to stand alone but I will say it again. I bought this page, page 22 of Tomb of Dracula issue 44 published by Marvel Comics in 1976, today. I traveled 90 minutes each way to get it. I think the blog content here at FEDRES420 makes it clear that comic art and illustration is a pretty big source of fun and time in my life. Well, this page is part of a story that is directly responsible for me being involved in this hobby. If I had to pinpoint specific points in my comic and comic art involvement, the first might be finding a funny animal comic in the street in about 1970 about a block and a half from my house. I picked it up and was amazed it was complete. I brought it home and consumed it. Funny animals, no reading required. Next was the sudden arrival at my house a year or so later of a giant box of comics, gladly inherited by my older brother and I from our friends around the corner. Why they did not want them was beyond me but we took them hungrily. There were a few hundred comics in there, all with no covers. I now know what the deal was there, but back then I was horrified and thankful all at the same time. There were war comics and superhero comics and a little of everything else under the sun. I devoured them all. I remember ignoring the war comics at first for the superheroes but eventually reading and enjoying them all. Then come the comics in the newsstand at Clancy's, followed by a job in high school at 7-11. In my memories I paid sometimes at least. And then a card convention at the Toms River Elks Club. I could get some Nolan Ryan and Astros cards and hey, look at that, they have comics too. I was driving by that time so it must have been 1983 or 1984 and I got a ton of issues of Dr. Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts for 25 cents each. When I read them and issue 14 crossed over with Tomb of Dracula I was frantic in my search for those issues of ToD.

That Elks club purchase, one title almost complete at once - even 169, and then the search for missing issues to complete the story may have been the real start of my comics collection/hobby/obsession. Yes, I still have those comics in a box not 15 feet from where I sit and type these words. And now I have a page of original art from those issues in my hands as well. The story of my comic art obsession is the story of a (some would say) mature individual. My collection is generally focused on modern art, created after 1990 by and large and does not generally include stuff I read growing up but more stuff I read in college and as an adult or by artists I became fond of as an adult. Even the older pieces are typically things I admire now, not things I admired as a child or young man. But the Elks Club comics are part of the story of a child, and this page alone in all the pages and pieces in my collection brings me back to a time in my life when I read comics and the experience enveloped me entirely. They were musty and somewhat smelly and HOLY SMOKES Dracula drained Wong's blood. Wong is dead. Doc will save him, no sweat right? Wait, Doc says he can't save him, only destroy him and prevent him from becoming a vampire? Okay, Doc CAN avenge Wong then. Oh no, Dracula's sucking on Doc now? What are they doing? I have all these comics here and Dr. Strange is dead? WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

WHAT ARE THEY DOING?